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11-07-2007, 03:33 PM
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Well, just hours after we publish our report, Consumer Credit comes out significantly below consensus forecasts.
The results for September show that consumer credit shrunk considerably at $3.7B from the previous month's (upwardly revised) $15.4B.
There are two possible conclusions that we can draw here:
1. consumers are spending less
2. consumers are borrowing less
3. both.
I suspect that higher interest rates will slow both consumer spending and borrowing rolling forward--neither of which would be particularly bullish for consumption rolling ahead.
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11-07-2007, 04:44 PM
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p.s David, that is an awsome probability tool.
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You can thank the whizzes over at Bloomberg for that one.
And for good measure, I've attached the most recent reading on the fed funds implied volatility screen. Markets continue to press for further rate cuts, with FFF's now pricing in a 70% chance of a 25bp move.
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11-08-2007, 10:14 AM
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New speech from Ben Bernanke to the US Legislature:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsev...e20071108a.htm
Further reactions to come on the dailyfx.com calendar from John Kicklighter within several minutes.
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11-08-2007, 02:47 PM
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Wow. Despite Ben Bernanke's fairly stern warning on price pressures, markets have really increased bets that the Fed will cut rates on December 11. Whether or not this is well-advised is questionable, but speculators have clearly spoken, and such developments can only hurt the dollar further against major forex counterparts. The Fed Funds Futures December contract now shows a 92% chance of a 25bp cut to 4.25 percent.
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11-08-2007, 02:48 PM
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Market is clearly trying to force the Fed's hand. I think there will be some weeping and gnashing of teeth come the December meeting:
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From Thompson IFR....
Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:28:00 PM
WASHINGTON (Thomson Financial) - What Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke was trying to say to Congress today, and what the financial markets heard, were not quite the same thing.
Bernanke stuck determinedly to the neutral policy bias of the Fed's October 31 post-meeting statement, that downside risks to growth are roughly balanced by upside risks to inflation.
'The length of time spent on economic problems implies that the Chairman did not intend to alter the markets' expectation for further Fed ease,' said Brian Fabbri at BNP Paribas. But, 'after assessing his testimony the market raised the probability for Fed ease in December.
Bernanke's appearance before the Joint Economic Committee was largely a non-event for stocks and bonds. There were 'no clear hints of further rate cuts,' said BMO Capital's Sal Guatieri.
There was a reaction in implied expectations from fed funds futures which by mid-afternoon suggested that a quarter-point interest rate cut is a certainty in December, and that a half-point cut is more than likely. The implied expectations gave the quarter point cut 87 pct odds late Wednesday.
Some analysts saw a similar slight dovish tilt to Bernanke's testimony despite his attempted neutrality. He 'leaned on the dovish end of the monetary policy,' said Tony Crescenzi at Miller Tabak. 'Bernanke's dovish leaning is apparent in his emphasis on the downside risks to economic growth relative to the upside risks he expressed on inflation.'
The Fed's economic forecast expects 'that the growth of economic activity would slow noticeably in the fourth quarter from its third-quarter rate,' Bernanke repeated. And growth would be remaining 'sluggish during the first part of next year, then strengthening as the effects of tighter credit and the housing correction began to wane.
Bernanke said the Fed fully recognized the threats from the falling dollar and rising oil prices. But, 'these inflation risks were hanging over the economy through the past few years,' said Stephen Gallagher at Societe Generale. 'They remain medium to long-term risks.'
And despite those risks, the Fed chairman said inflation would be 'in a range consistent with price stability next year.'
According to Fabbri, 'that forecast suggests that the FOMC has a tilt toward economic weakness.'
Several analysts gave Bernanke good reviews for his performance before Congress and the cameras, even if he lacked some of the theatrical qualities of his predecessor.
'In a nutshell,' said Harm Bandholz of UniCredit, 'Bernankes testimony has something for everybody -- downside risks to growth, upside risks to inflation and ongoing financial market turmoil. We expect the Fed to stay on hold in December - stay tuned.'
Something for everybody was, in a nutshell, what Alan Greenspan usually left his audience with as well.
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11-08-2007, 02:50 PM
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Wow. Despite Ben Bernanke's fairly stern warning on price pressures, markets have really increased bets that the Fed will cut rates on December 11. Whether or not this is well-advised is questionable, but speculators have clearly spoken, and such developments can only hurt the dollar further against major forex counterparts. The Fed Funds Futures December contract now shows a 92% chance of a 25bp cut to 4.25 percent.
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And what about the odds of a 50bps move? Isn't that unreal? Hah!
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11-08-2007, 04:42 PM
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I would tend to agree with the text in that Forbes article, and not so much the markets at this point. I hesitate to say that speculators are in for a nasty surprise, though. We've been saying that all along and we've been the ones that have been proven wrong by the Fed's rate moves.
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11-09-2007, 01:02 AM
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I would tend to agree with the text in that Forbes article, and not so much the markets at this point. I hesitate to say that speculators are in for a nasty surprise, though. We've been saying that all along and we've been the ones that have been proven wrong by the Fed's rate moves.
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The more I think about it, the more I believe that there is no way the Fed can cut in December. True, we've been rooting for neutral policy all along, but I'm completely convinced this time. While FFFs have not been persuaded by rationality (see attached chart), we could easily see these probabilities shift ahead of the actual meeting. The Fed has about a month to attempt to set the stage for no policy change...let the show begin.
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11-09-2007, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by David Rodriguez
I would tend to agree with the text in that Forbes article, and not so much the markets at this point. I hesitate to say that speculators are in for a nasty surprise, though. We've been saying that all along and we've been the ones that have been proven wrong by the Fed's rate moves.
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We updated the "Watch what the Fed Watches" article on DailyFX. Junk-Treasury spreads have soared, along with credit default swaps and the Treasury-Eurodollars spread. Things look pretty bad for money market and credit conditions.
On an unrelated note, I happened upon this commentary from the former head of the Mortgage-Backed securities desk at Citi. Most interesting stuff in in bold.
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Having run Citibank’s MBS trading desk some years ago I would suggest that you have only seen the tip of the iceberg in the credit disaster. It is not an issue of which CEO to fire, or having made loans to "risky" borrowers. Back in the 80's S & L's went belly up mainly due to the disintermediation that was permitted on the liability side of the balance sheet. To past the "thrift test" a savings bank needed to have 85% of it's assets in mortgages. In NY State the usury rate for mortgages was 8%. Volker inverts the yield curve, short rates go to 16% and then you have to compete with the Merrill RAT for short term money...instant insolvency...add to the that the Fed disallowing regulatory net worth certificates as RAP capital and bang.
Fast forward to 2003-2006. Mortgage loans are now originated by fly by night companies with no capital, sold to the street, for inclusion in CDO's and SIV's. The rating agencies run their Monte Carlo simulations, and determine the likelihood of defaults, monoline insurers, subordinate tranches, and suddenly a residential mortgage with no down payment, inflated appraisals, and no income verifications, are now AAA. And who ends up the owners of these 30 year term 8 yr duration negatively convex instruments...hedge funds who then lever them 6 to 1 and fund them overnight to ride the curve ...in order to garner 25% returns. It is highly likely that they have in the past 3 years refinanced a trillion dollars of home loans 30% above the real value of the properties. That puts the real losses near 300 billion not the 14 billion at citi or the 8 at Merrill. Just because you can create a derivative security doesn't mean you should. And where the hell were the regulators? They have a role because home mortgages are the last remaining deductable debt...because...property taxes are the backbone of local governments and school finance.
If the fed doesn't flood the market with cash (driving the dollar to an additional 25% decline and oil to 125, and gold to 1000+)...the housing market has 30% more to go on the downside, financial stocks down the same, insurers chapter 11...etc etc etc...The street has just inadvertently created hundreds of billions of dollar of junk bonds with no natural buyers...that's why they keep writing them down but never sell (superfunds, SIV rescue funds)...once they sell all hell will break loose...can you spell depression?
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11-10-2007, 06:46 AM
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I really liked that article, David, and to me it was an extreme pessimists' outlook. (would be nice to think that he'll be wrong!)
So does this mean "damned if they do, damned if they don't?"
I've been reading arguments both for and against the FED dropping rates in Dec, and neither paint a very rosy picture for Q4 or Q1 and Q2 housing. But the general growth is to be moderate and not recessionary.
So unless you take the stance "wait and see", who do you beleive?
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11-10-2007, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by David Rodriguez
We updated the "Watch what the Fed Watches" article on DailyFX. Junk-Treasury spreads have soared, along with credit default swaps and the Treasury-Eurodollars spread. Things look pretty bad for money market and credit conditions.
On an unrelated note, I happened upon this commentary from the former head of the Mortgage-Backed securities desk at Citi. Most interesting stuff in in bold.
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That commentary seems extremely off. A 30% stock market correction?? I don't think so. This gentleman sounds like Cramer ranting for the Fed to cut cut cut. He's probably long oil, gold and short the dollar as well.
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11-11-2007, 07:05 AM
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That commentary seems extremely off. A 30% stock market correction?? I don't think so. This gentleman sounds like Cramer ranting for the Fed to cut cut cut. He's probably long oil, gold and short the dollar as well.
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I agree with you, Ivanovich, I think his opinion is a bit too heavy sided. However, in reality, depression has happened before. I'm not certain "depression" could happen again to the extremes that it used to, but I don't have a crystal ball. Recession-yes, Depression-?!?
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11-12-2007, 12:59 AM
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I agree with you, Ivanovich, I think his opinion is a bit too heavy sided. However, in reality, depression has happened before. I'm not certain "depression" could happen again to the extremes that it used to, but I don't have a crystal ball. Recession-yes, Depression-?!?
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I think the heavy-handed opinions really highlight the panicky nature of the markets right now. There are a lot of reasons to be on edge: record high oil, record low $, crumbling equities, increasing potential for stagflation in the US, continued turmoil in the Middle East and South Asia. It's an understatement to say that these aren't the best conditions in which investors can stay confident, and if the Fed doesn't cut in December, some of these fears will only be exacerbated.
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11-12-2007, 03:10 PM
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That commentary seems extremely off. A 30% stock market correction?? I don't think so. This gentleman sounds like Cramer ranting for the Fed to cut cut cut. He's probably long oil, gold and short the dollar as well.
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It seems like called for a further 30% housing market correction. Is this far-fetched? I'm not entirely sure that it is. All signs point to slowing economic growth yet mortgage rates and delinquencies continue higher. The MBS guy has a good point: we keep on hearing about "write-downs", not liquidations. If these funds ever decide to cut their losses short and flood the market with these asset-backed securities, mayhem would likely ensue.
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