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Old 08-08-2008, 11:31 AM
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i don't believe anyone is sure what is going to happen in the near term. i am just riding the wave down until it reverses at least 100 or more pips.
I wish I would have a short position but I don't. I just can not see the dollar any stronger from here. The stronger USD will increase inflationary pressure for the EU and slowing of the export industry of the US. This will make it more unlikely that the US will raise rates and that the EU will lower rates. As long as the difference is what it is I think the dollar does not move much higher.
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Old 08-08-2008, 11:31 AM
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Old 08-08-2008, 11:33 AM
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Below is a post from a group who Prides themselves with being EURO bulls. Their trading system only calls signals for EURO/USD LONGS. They would never issue short calls. Again....these guys have always been about the Long.....and this is what their senior trader now has to say:


"The uncertainty surrounding this outlook for economic activity remains high. The latest economic data point to a weakening of real GDP growth in mid-2008. We consider that there is some materialisation of the risks that we have identified. Overall, downside risks prevail."

Those aren't my words, those are Trichet's words, and those are the words that sent the euro on another free fall in today's trading...

Trichet said and the euro did exactly as we forecasted, so no big surprises there... but, I have to mention something I observed with Trichet's body language which I believe had a very negative "psychological" effect on the euro. Well maybe more so of a negative psychological effect on those trading the euro...

When Bernanke and Trichet speak I don't just listen to what they say I watch how they say it because their body language can not only tell me if they are speaking the truth but it can tell me how confident they are and how much they believe their own words. Plus, reading body language is a tremendously valuable tool that helps me read between the lines.

Trichet was not his usual confident, comfortable, and cocky self. Trichet's got a much stronger personality than Bernanke, but this wasn't visible today. Trichet appeared extremely uncomfortable revealing his current assesment of Eurozone economic conditions.

The way he delivered the "bad news" was like how a kid tells his parents he got in a fight at school and is suspended for three days... you know the news is bad, you want to put it as nicely as you can, but no matter what your parent's punishment is going to be way worse than what the principal gave you.

This is why Trichet repeated no less than a dozen times his mantra about price stability and maintaing price stability. One of his lines were:

"We emphasise that maintaining price stability in the medium term is our primary objective and that it is our strong determination to keep medium and long-term inflation expectations firmly anchored in line with price stability."

The fact that Trichet had to pepper every piece of bad news with strong reinforcement about price stability and hawkish monetary policy on rates, coupled with his body language was a sure fire sign the market was going to give the euro another beating. Plus, constantly repeating his mantra actually did more harm than good... this is where the whole negative "psychological" effect comes in.

Basically, Trichet was begging the markets to stop hammering the euro. Where Trichet screwed up was that he didn't infuse his mantra with any real threats or promises. Two months ago he promised the markets a rate hike. A month later he gave the markets a rate hike and two weeks after that the EUR/USD made another all-time high. Pretty simple stuff...

The problem that Trichet faces is the fact that he can't raise rates anymore and he will have to cut rates next year. But, he knows how bad Eurozone inflation is running and he knows what the ECB's number one mandate is: ensuring price stability.

A rapidly depriciating euro only further completes things for Trichet. He can't maintain price stability with any more rates hikes, so he needs the euro to stay strongly supported against the dollar in order to help keep a lid on inflation.

Trichet's body language was screaming "don't short the euro my dear friends!" But, the market had other plans of course. As I said yesterday, no matter what Trichet says today the euro is going to get whipped.

Even now as I'm writing this commentary I see the market has just dropped 100 points in less than 30-minutes. Looks like a text book stop hunt and stoploss trigger move. Good job Tokyo!

The net bottom line is, Trichet's up against the ropes and the market knows it. Eurozone fundamentals are bad and Trichet confirmed this in his speech today. Trichet's hopes and dreams of a strong euro to fight inflation are quickly evaporating right before his eyes.

To be honest, I don't believe Trichet or the euro is going down without a fight. Yes, we've seen some violent moves against the euro the past week, but this rapid depriciation will not only be undesirable to the ECB, I don't believe the Fed is going to be having a tea party over the rapidly accelerating dollar. It's really not desirable or healthy for either central bank.

Fundamentals:

As we forecasted last night, Pending Home Sales printed with a strong upside surprise and of course this has fueled more talk of a bottom in housing. I'm not singing that song. I think this piece of data is just following the exact data trend we've seen the past month now that the rebate checks are in everyone's bank account and everything is peachy again.

Fundamentally tomorrow is a rather slow day. I do expect the European data to print at or below expected while the Non Farm Productivity data should print inflationary which is obviously USD+.


EUR/USD:

Look ahead to next week's fundamentals, we have some serious data on the books... retail sales, growth, inflation, and the consumer sector. Be mindful of this as we close out the week.

I do not expect any monumental moves in the market tomorrow. Now right at this moment the market is still in the 1.5250's after making that sharp stop hunt move. This price pattern looks very similar to what the market does when it wants to suck traders in and then reverse the market on them, so I'm fully expecting a return to the point of lift-off, which in this is the 1.5300 level.

Once we make our way back there, things might be a little more clear, but there's no way I'm buying the euro. I'm only shorting. I haven't bought the euro in a week and a half and I have no intentions of buying it now.

I'm not one of those traders that says "it can't possibly go any lower". Yes, it absolutely can go lower and current price and fundamental trends stay the way they are, the short side will be in play for the time being.

Many traders have been asking me when I'll start buying the euro again. Well, the first I will need to see is a clear pattern within the price action that shows me the euro is capable of sustaining any upward momentum.

This week it's been barely able to make a 50 pip upside retrace. That price action shows me there's no momentum and buying power to support the euro. When I can see within the price action that the euro actually has a fighting chance, I will consider a long.

Next of course is the underlying fundamentals of the market... as I mentioned current trends have all been USD+ and EUR-. I need to see a break in this trend. I need to see euro data start printing stronger and I need to see renewed signs of weakness in the U.S. economy. Right now, neither of those exists.

Next is the market correlated variables. Gold has been brutalized the past two weeks. There's absolutely no way the euro can move up with gold getting hammered day after day. Same thing with crude. With crude being USD denominated every little dollar gain is going to push crude down and vice versa.

If Wall St. emerges from its bearish season that will put more pressure on the euro and boost the dollar. What is really odd right now are securities. With this robust dollar gain, bond yields have been acting weird. There's been a lot of bond buying the past two weeks. With bonds getting bought up yields are naturally low, but what I'm trying to truly understand is why there's such a demand for bonds.

Anyway, unless the market correlated variables stop working hand-in-hand to boost the dollar, I can't buy the euro.

For tomorrow the euro remains at risk. I don't expect any major moves, like 200 pips or more, but I'm certainly prepared to be proved wrong. I may have more comments on the euro after I see whether or not we can retrace back up from this stop hunt move.

Later on tonight I should have some key levels to offer. Please be smart with your margin and do not overleverage. Last night I warned to prepare for the worst today if you were in a tight margin situation and the same warning still applies.

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you might want to tell the whole story here

they have issued short calls on the euro also as well as longs but for a very long time yes it was all longs becuase the euro has been on a bull run fr years, same with the jacko thread in FF and his trend trading, it pays off and now they will rethink the trading.

you have to admit the analysis is well written but was not written by the senior trader either

it was writen by the moderator of thier forum

please do not post unless you intend to tell the whole story as well as the complete truth to that story

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Old 08-08-2008, 11:36 AM
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I'm a fundi, then trendlinei (incl.support and resistance), then a fibi. I would think that common sense will come back into the market and that the momentum will be broken over the weekend. I look at this as a correction that will end at 1.4900-1.4921. I still see the EUR at 160 again before we will move lower. My two cents.
Danke Schon.

On what are you basing your 1.49 prediction?
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Old 08-08-2008, 11:40 AM
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bounce?

It was really a very nice move after breaking trough the 1,53. Objective of this move is around 1,45 but 1,50 should hold for now if we see the confirmation of a bounce over 1,5065. In this case, up move should be around 150 points until 1,515.

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Old 08-08-2008, 11:41 AM
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Talking Sleeplessness!!!!

Ok. Here's my stupid story. After two sleepless nights, I was so tired last night, and apparently not thinking straight, that I thought, Oh I know, I'll just hedge my short and pick it up in the morning. So, I fell asleep soooo contently, only to wakeup to a 130p drop, and of course no way to make up for the lost gains.
Am I the only one????
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Old 08-08-2008, 11:42 AM
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Danke Schon.

On what are you basing your 1.49 prediction?
Look at the daily chart, there is a resistance line just above the highs established between mid December of 2007 and mid February of 2008. If you average them out it comes the closest to the high of 1.4921 established on 1-14-2008.
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Old 08-08-2008, 11:43 AM
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EUR/USD: So Long, Farewell Aufwiedersehen Goodbye...

15:04 EUR/USD: So Long, Farewell Aufwiedersehen, Goodbye... New York, August 8th.

Well it was a swell trend, but now that its over, wave it goodbye. There will be counter-trend rallies, and bouts of USD weakness that abrogate the new trend, but this weeks price action even before the overnight collapse would have been almost sufficient for the coroner to pronounce it dead. Now I know the E mails will start pouring in, the first started yesterday - it's not my fault the trend died, it just happened. The cycle gurus wanted to see sub-1.5300 to sign the death certificate, and we've done that and some. However let's face it, there have also been two extremely important fundamental events that have changed the world in the past 24-hrs.

The ECB blinked, they've basically said we're out of bullets - the slowdown is too much; and with no hope in sight in the near term from growth statistics, they will not be able to justify a rate hike next month. This means the ECB is on hold, looking to cut as the Fed are on hold looking to hike. The Russia vs Georgia conflict has burst into open hostility and hundreds are slated to be dead already, this will not go away any time soon. This conflict threatens the oil pipeline to Europe; not the US, or Japan; or for that matter Australasia or Latin America. It's oversold, sell rallies.

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P.S. 1.4975 is 61.8 fibo support line between Dec 07, 2007 1.4310 and July 15, 2008 1.6037
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Old 08-08-2008, 11:45 AM
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If you sit back and look at price action alone you will see that everytime it hit a new "low" it did not bounce up with a pop like in the past

it consolidated and then dropped

it has done the same thing ever since it dipped below 5300 and is still doing the same thing.

I said it yesterday that now was a good time to watch and trade when order and direction is back in the market. Yes I watched the drop without trading it but with 3 trillion dollars a day to be had there is still plenty to be made later.
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I was checking my database, I found the two largest moves are:

09/23/2000:
High = 0.89920
Low = 0.85760
Range = 416 pips
Close = 0.8609

Interestingly, this is on Friday, just like today. Let's look what happens on the next Monday

09/26/2000:
High = 0.88250
Low = 0.87140
Range = 111 pips
Open = 0.8782

The open on Monday gaps by more than 100 pips higher !!

Second largest move is on

02/29/2000
High = 0.9746
Low = 0.939
Range = 356 pips
Close = 9744

Strangely, this also happens on Friday. Seems like there's something with black Friday. Is today a black Friday? Let's look at the next Monday

03/01/2000
High = 9900
Low = 9627
Range = 273 pips
Open = 9708
Close = 9712

So in this case, next Monday price gaps a few pips lower, but the high range on the next day is almost 200 pips higher (though it closes back to 9712).
If I were a corporate treasurer and had some hedging responsibilities, I would certainly jump in buying Euros first thing Monday. It would be difficult to criticize me even if I were premature.
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Old 08-08-2008, 12:18 PM
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If I were a corporate treasurer and had some hedging responsibilities, I would certainly jump in buying Euros first thing Monday. It would be difficult to criticize me even if I were premature.
Well in some cases, such as in the first example (the largest EUR move ever), it'll be too late to buy Euro first thing Monday, because by the time it opens, it has gapped by more than 100 pips! The action is on the weekend, when most retail investors, traders, and insitutions can't buy.
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Old 08-08-2008, 12:48 PM
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Well in some cases, such as in the first example (the largest EUR move ever), it'll be too late to buy Euro first thing Monday, because by the time it opens, it has gapped by more than 100 pips! The action is on the weekend, when most retail investors, traders, and insitutions can't buy.
Right. I'm not saying to follow the treasurers, but to front-run them might make sense.
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Old 08-08-2008, 12:56 PM
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15:04 EUR/USD: So Long, Farewell Aufwiedersehen, Goodbye... New York, August 8th.
Hi cmellon, are you the same as крупье ??
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Old 08-08-2008, 12:59 PM
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Hi cmellon, are you the same as крупье ??
Hi pf, no I am not the same person. I wish I am an expert like him
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Old 08-08-2008, 01:21 PM
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I wish I would have a short position but I don't. I just can not see the dollar any stronger from here. The stronger USD will increase inflationary pressure for the EU and slowing of the export industry of the US. This will make it more unlikely that the US will raise rates and that the EU will lower rates. As long as the difference is what it is I think the dollar does not move much higher.
What do you think?
personally i have thought it cant go much lower, however i have had that thought on 3 different occasions in the last 24 hours. therefore i will leave my shorts running until we see at least 100 pip correction. i have stated that i cant believe this move in about every post ive made over the last 12 hrs due to not one single shred of GOOD news about the dollar......

on the other hand, i do see more support now than i have since the fall. keep in mind i have felt like a contrarian indicator in the last couple of days.
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