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Old 10-13-2008, 01:16 AM
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Jeremy,

Thanks for all the great information. I had one question.

Let's say you've been part of a system that has done well in the past, but the system has topped and now you start to see a downtrend. When do you consider leaving the system for the time being? Is there a general rule of thumb, something like the drawdown is more than 50% of your previous profits?
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:54 PM
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Jeremy,

Thanks for all the great information. I had one question.

Let's say you've been part of a system that has done well in the past, but the system has topped and now you start to see a downtrend. When do you consider leaving the system for the time being? Is there a general rule of thumb, something like the drawdown is more than 50% of your previous profits?
That is a great question. Just like you should think of your exit when you enter into a trade, the same principle applies on a system. After all, we did not design these systems and we don't know every little detail about their trading parameters. When you start using the system, think of what conditions would cause you to exit the system. You can create your own set of rules that meets your personality.

Personally, I look into the history of the system and the system's ability to recover from the past drawdowns. Let's say I have 12 months of history and it tends to recover from the drawdown within 60 days. I am going to be interested in that system's behavior during the drawdown to see if will recover like it has in the past. If the system acts like it is not going to recover as quickly as previously, then that is an indication market conditions are changing and the system may now be 'out of favor'.

If the drawdown is relatively shallow, I may reduce my trade size and exposure to the system. If the drawdown is deeper, then I may find another system to replace it.
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*Past performance posted by Signal and Systems Providers (“Providers”), is not necessarily indicative of future results. No representation is made that any account is likely to achieve profits or losses similar to those shown. In fact, there are frequently sharp differences between hypothetical performance results and the actual results subsequently achieved by any particularly trading program. The composite monthly results are primarily hypothetical results of the master demo and its representation of the Providers, though performance results displayed may represent a combination of live and hypothetical results and are not exclusive to either. There are numerous other factors related to markets in general or to the implementation of any specific trading program that cannot be fully accounted for in the preparation of hypothetical performance results and all of which can adversely affect actual trading results. In the event that specific trades were simultaneously executed in hypothetical and live, real-time trading, the lesser of the two results will be displayed. There is no guarantee that one applying these methodologies would have the same results as the hypothetically posted. Since trading successfully depends on many elements including but not limited to a trading methodology and a trader's own psychology, the web site does not make any representation whatsoever that the above mentioned trading systems might be or are suitable or that they would be profitable for you. Please realize the risk with any investment and consult investment professionals before proceeding. The trading systems herein described have been developed for sophisticated traders who fully understand the nature and the scope of the risks that are associated with trading. Should you decide to trade any or all of these systems' signals, it is your decision.

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Old 10-13-2008, 05:12 PM
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A-Systems-Z1 EURUSD Review

Max DD : -618
Profit in Pips : 583
Start Date : 7/11/07

At first glance, this system does not seem to offer any excitement to the portfolio. After all, in 12 months it has generated 583 pips in profit with a 628 max pip drawdown. Investigating this system closer reveals that it has recovered from its drawdowns relatively quickly. The first drawdown of approximately 600 pips was recovered in about 4 months. The second drawdown of approximately 600 pips recovered in 1 month. It is in the middle of a 628 drawdown right now that began 3 weeks ago.

The fact that the equity curve is exactly at the bottom of the current maximum drawdown and the risk adjustment factor is 0.93 is something to note. Hypothetically, if the equity curve immediately turned around and gained the 628 pips back, you would see the risk adjustment factor increase to 1.93. (A figure above 1.5 is considered a good reading). Risk adjustment factor is a good tool to provide an idea of how quickly this system recovers from its drawdowns. The higher the number the better. Keep an eye on this system and see if it can recover from this drawdown quickly. If so, it is a system to keep handy.
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Old 10-14-2008, 05:39 PM
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ProSignal-ShortTerm EURUSD

Max DD : -1,003
Profit in Pips : 62
Start Date : 8/21/07

This system provides us with a max drawdown of just over 1,000 pips. It has been around for over 1 year which is positive. It seems as though the only time its returns exploded was when the EURUSD was topping around Mar-May 2008. Once the EURUSD resumed its trend the losses seemed to mount again. It appears this system may perform better during ranging markets. With the interest rate differentials expected to change for the EUR and the USD over the coming months, I would expect some type of trend to occur in this pair. We will pass on this system for now.
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Old 10-14-2008, 05:54 PM
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:30 PM
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Hi, how can I get my system to be included among the ones FXCM offers to account holders. Is there an application to fill out? Thanks, Russell.
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Old 10-15-2008, 02:48 PM
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I just reviewed this page and wow! These systems are pure garbage! Huge drawdowns with minimal returns for the most part. I have a short history now with Collective2.com, but I hope maybe I could be included in FXCM systems list sometime.
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Old 10-15-2008, 07:35 PM
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I just reviewed this page and wow! These systems are pure garbage! Huge drawdowns with minimal returns for the most part. I have a short history now with Collective2.com, but I hope maybe I could be included in FXCM systems list sometime.
To be considered, send an email to support@tradency.com and they will review the process with you.

Some systems do perform better than others. Hopefully, we will be seeing yours soon.
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*Past performance posted by Signal and Systems Providers (“Providers”), is not necessarily indicative of future results. No representation is made that any account is likely to achieve profits or losses similar to those shown. In fact, there are frequently sharp differences between hypothetical performance results and the actual results subsequently achieved by any particularly trading program. The composite monthly results are primarily hypothetical results of the master demo and its representation of the Providers, though performance results displayed may represent a combination of live and hypothetical results and are not exclusive to either. There are numerous other factors related to markets in general or to the implementation of any specific trading program that cannot be fully accounted for in the preparation of hypothetical performance results and all of which can adversely affect actual trading results. In the event that specific trades were simultaneously executed in hypothetical and live, real-time trading, the lesser of the two results will be displayed. There is no guarantee that one applying these methodologies would have the same results as the hypothetically posted. Since trading successfully depends on many elements including but not limited to a trading methodology and a trader's own psychology, the web site does not make any representation whatsoever that the above mentioned trading systems might be or are suitable or that they would be profitable for you. Please realize the risk with any investment and consult investment professionals before proceeding. The trading systems herein described have been developed for sophisticated traders who fully understand the nature and the scope of the risks that are associated with trading. Should you decide to trade any or all of these systems' signals, it is your decision.

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Old 10-15-2008, 07:37 PM
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Quants-VIP EURUSD Review

Max DD : -3,003
Profit in Pips : -1,145
Start Date : 12/18/06

One of our oldest members to the Forex System Selector is Quants – VIP. It offers a smoother equity curve. However, it is at the bottom of its largest drawdown right now that has been going on for 6 months. We are looking for an equity curve that can offer a better reward considering the large drawdown it is in right now.
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*Past performance posted by Signal and Systems Providers (“Providers”), is not necessarily indicative of future results. No representation is made that any account is likely to achieve profits or losses similar to those shown. In fact, there are frequently sharp differences between hypothetical performance results and the actual results subsequently achieved by any particularly trading program. The composite monthly results are primarily hypothetical results of the master demo and its representation of the Providers, though performance results displayed may represent a combination of live and hypothetical results and are not exclusive to either. There are numerous other factors related to markets in general or to the implementation of any specific trading program that cannot be fully accounted for in the preparation of hypothetical performance results and all of which can adversely affect actual trading results. In the event that specific trades were simultaneously executed in hypothetical and live, real-time trading, the lesser of the two results will be displayed. There is no guarantee that one applying these methodologies would have the same results as the hypothetically posted. Since trading successfully depends on many elements including but not limited to a trading methodology and a trader's own psychology, the web site does not make any representation whatsoever that the above mentioned trading systems might be or are suitable or that they would be profitable for you. Please realize the risk with any investment and consult investment professionals before proceeding. The trading systems herein described have been developed for sophisticated traders who fully understand the nature and the scope of the risks that are associated with trading. Should you decide to trade any or all of these systems' signals, it is your decision.

Links to third-party sites are provided for your convenience and for informational purposes only. Forex Capital Markets LLC bears no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or any other matter related to the external site or for that of subsequent links, and accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damage arising from the use of this or any other content. Such sites are not within our control and may not follow the same privacy, security, or accessibility standards as ours. Please read the linked websites' terms and conditions.
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Old 10-16-2008, 06:06 PM
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Quants-MP40 EURUSD

Max DD : -1,386
Profit in Pips : -600
Start Date : 1/11/07

This system was in a steady decline from Oct 2007 to Aug 2008 which created its Maximum Drawdown for the past year. Once the volatility of the credit freeze began in late August, the net profits began to jump. It has recently backed off from those recent highs. Due to the volatility of these returns, we are going to pass on them for now.
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*Past performance posted by Signal and Systems Providers (“Providers”), is not necessarily indicative of future results. No representation is made that any account is likely to achieve profits or losses similar to those shown. In fact, there are frequently sharp differences between hypothetical performance results and the actual results subsequently achieved by any particularly trading program. The composite monthly results are primarily hypothetical results of the master demo and its representation of the Providers, though performance results displayed may represent a combination of live and hypothetical results and are not exclusive to either. There are numerous other factors related to markets in general or to the implementation of any specific trading program that cannot be fully accounted for in the preparation of hypothetical performance results and all of which can adversely affect actual trading results. In the event that specific trades were simultaneously executed in hypothetical and live, real-time trading, the lesser of the two results will be displayed. There is no guarantee that one applying these methodologies would have the same results as the hypothetically posted. Since trading successfully depends on many elements including but not limited to a trading methodology and a trader's own psychology, the web site does not make any representation whatsoever that the above mentioned trading systems might be or are suitable or that they would be profitable for you. Please realize the risk with any investment and consult investment professionals before proceeding. The trading systems herein described have been developed for sophisticated traders who fully understand the nature and the scope of the risks that are associated with trading. Should you decide to trade any or all of these systems' signals, it is your decision.

Links to third-party sites are provided for your convenience and for informational purposes only. Forex Capital Markets LLC bears no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or any other matter related to the external site or for that of subsequent links, and accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damage arising from the use of this or any other content. Such sites are not within our control and may not follow the same privacy, security, or accessibility standards as ours. Please read the linked websites' terms and conditions.
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Old 10-19-2008, 05:03 PM
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Currency-Specialist EURUSD Review

Max DD : -2,728
Profit in Pips : -767
Start Date : 5/16/06

Currency-Specialist is one of the dinosaurs of the FSS as they have been around since 2006. This system offers us little by way of trading with or against it (as a reverse). It has spent most of the past 12 months in a drawdown or trying to recover from it. We will pass on this one for now.
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*Past performance posted by Signal and Systems Providers (“Providers”), is not necessarily indicative of future results. No representation is made that any account is likely to achieve profits or losses similar to those shown. In fact, there are frequently sharp differences between hypothetical performance results and the actual results subsequently achieved by any particularly trading program. The composite monthly results are primarily hypothetical results of the master demo and its representation of the Providers, though performance results displayed may represent a combination of live and hypothetical results and are not exclusive to either. There are numerous other factors related to markets in general or to the implementation of any specific trading program that cannot be fully accounted for in the preparation of hypothetical performance results and all of which can adversely affect actual trading results. In the event that specific trades were simultaneously executed in hypothetical and live, real-time trading, the lesser of the two results will be displayed. There is no guarantee that one applying these methodologies would have the same results as the hypothetically posted. Since trading successfully depends on many elements including but not limited to a trading methodology and a trader's own psychology, the web site does not make any representation whatsoever that the above mentioned trading systems might be or are suitable or that they would be profitable for you. Please realize the risk with any investment and consult investment professionals before proceeding. The trading systems herein described have been developed for sophisticated traders who fully understand the nature and the scope of the risks that are associated with trading. Should you decide to trade any or all of these systems' signals, it is your decision.

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Old 10-20-2008, 05:13 PM
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FX-Express EURUSD

Max DD : -6,101
Profit in Pips : -4,693
Start Date : 4/24/08

A quick look at the data for FX-Express shows the equity curve moving steadily downward. There is a key here that I want to point out that I have heard several clients mention when I would talk to them about the FSS. When asking clients how they derived and selected the systems for their portfolio, oftentimes I would get a response where they expected a win percentage of a certain amount. The assumption is that if it can win more than 50% of the time, then it must be a good system. However, a high win percentage does not necessarily mean the system will generate a profit. There is an expectation or edge that needs to be determined with the system.

For example, let’s say a system has an 80% win percentage. The system will take profit at 25 pips and place a stop loss of 250 pips. Out of 10 trades, 8 are winners and 2 are losers. Therefore, the expectation is:
8 winners X 25 pips = +200
2 losers X 250 pips = -500
Net profit = -300 pips
As you can see from this example, this has an expectation to generate losses.

A closer look at FX Express shows that even though they sport a high win percentage, the risk to reward ratio of their trades are not favorable to generating profits. We will pass on this system.
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Links to third-party sites are provided for your convenience and for informational purposes only. Forex Capital Markets LLC bears no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or any other matter related to the external site or for that of subsequent links, and accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damage arising from the use of this or any other content. Such sites are not within our control and may not follow the same privacy, security, or accessibility standards as ours. Please read the linked websites' terms and conditions.
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Old 10-21-2008, 06:21 PM
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FXGrup - EURUSD

A few days ago I used a system’s Risk Adjustment factor in explaining its ability to recover from drawdowns. Today, we have something interesting with FXGrup’s equity curve and risk adjustment factor. The equity curve is a steady downward sloping curve. The risk adjustment factor for the past 12 months is -.96. The worst that this factor can be is -1.00. This means the curve has not been slowing down in its descent. For the more advanced FSS traders, this system might be one to consider a reverse on. Try it in a demo and see how it does. For the purposes of the portfolio we are trying to build, we are going to pass on it for now.

Here are the risk adjustment factors for the past several periods with this system:
12 months : -0.96
6 months : -0.92
3 months : -0.80
Last month : -1.00
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Links to third-party sites are provided for your convenience and for informational purposes only. Forex Capital Markets LLC bears no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or any other matter related to the external site or for that of subsequent links, and accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damage arising from the use of this or any other content. Such sites are not within our control and may not follow the same privacy, security, or accessibility standards as ours. Please read the linked websites' terms and conditions.
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:44 PM
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Clayburg_Multiphase - EURUSD Review

Max DD : -782
Profit in Pips : 3,523
Start Date : 6/30/06

Today's system review is the Clayburg_Multiphase EURUSD. This is one of the finest equity curves we have seen in a few days. We have a nicely sloping curve from the lower left towards the upper right. We have a couple of drawdowns 600-700 pips, but the system recovered to collect additional gains.

The positives outweigh the negatives with this system:
1. The system has been trading for 2+ years
2. Drawdowns are manageable of 600-700 pips
3. Recovery from drawdowns have been speedy with a risk adjustment factor of 4.51 which is really good.
4. One point of caution, this system does have 6 max positions opened. You will need more capital to support this system as a small account runs the risk of margin calling or running through the equity as you ride out drawdowns.
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Old 10-23-2008, 06:13 PM
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BreakoutMaster - EURUSD Review

Today’s system review shows some explosive gains since the credit pond began to freeze over in late August. A drawdown of 1,061 pips occurred during this time of volatility which is to be expected. A positive about this system is that it recovered from the drawdown relatively quick (30 days). As the name implies, this system seems to get active when the EURUSD breaks out. By itself, this system may not provide a lot of zing. However, if you have a larger account and want to play break outs, this could be a good addition to the overall portfolio. Since we are building a portfolio with only 2 systems at this time, we will pass on it for now.

Max DD : -1,061
Profit in Pips : 2,407
Start Date : 1/04/08
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