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10-14-2009, 02:29 AM
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10-14-2009, 03:36 AM
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You mean Oxidative AudUsd & AudJpy?
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It was Oxidative AUDUSD & Broker Bio GBPAUD.
Made money on them yesterday on the first day (about 3%) but for some reasons after that the demo seemed to have closed both systems out. Don't know why. This morning I can't access it to have another look.
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10-14-2009, 04:16 AM
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Our initial filter for a RAR Portfolio produced a list of 22 signal providers to review. Over the past couple months, I have gone through each of these 22 strategies and after review, 14 of them were worthy of further consideration. (On the chart below, the red line strike through are the ones which did not make it past the original review.)
When going through and finalizing a portfolio given we have 14 different ones to choose from, I first double check to see if any drastic changes have occurred (like significant increases or decreases in pips collected). I don't expect any changes, but you never know. Then, I print off each of the 14 curves on a sheet of paper so I can compare the shapes of the curves. You see, some curves have periods of trading side ways or they go through a drawdown. By themselves, the curves may not be that exciting. However, if you couple them with other systems that go through their draw downs at different times, it may smooth the combined curve out.
Also, I tend to believe we can look at a picture and grasp more than by staring at statistics. After a visual inspection of the 14 remainders, I knocked out those with the dark green line leaving 6 signal providers we will look to build our RAR portfolio from.
Later, I will have some combinations of these 6 to help decide on the final product.
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One hell of a job to go through those systems and cherry pick them. I am going to run a demo on them also.
However, I could not find the quant-carnival system you list? Whats up with that?
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10-14-2009, 06:24 AM
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It was Oxidative AUDUSD & Broker Bio GBPAUD.
Made money on them yesterday on the first day (about 3%) but for some reasons after that the demo seemed to have closed both systems out. Don't know why. This morning I can't access it to have another look.
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For some reason, the signal providers disappeared from my demo. The demo is acting up. I will leave it alone for a while and go back and reselect the providers.
Also the platform does not seem to be fond of Firefox. Does it work better with IE?
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10-14-2009, 07:14 AM
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One hell of a job to go through those systems and cherry pick them. I am going to run a demo on them also.
However, I could not find the quant-carnival system you list? Whats up with that?
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That's a job I usually do also. Not as well as Jeremy, I'm sure, for he has The Knowledge.
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For some reason, the signal providers disappeared from my demo. The demo is acting up. I will leave it alone for a while and go back and reselect the providers.
Also the platform does not seem to be fond of Firefox. Does it work better with IE?
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I too believe the platform is terrible on the browser. A few minutes after it starts working, the browser almost freezes. There must be memory leaks or whatever usually causes this kind of behavior. And this does not happen to me on any other site.
Better on IE? I wouldn't know. Firefox is The browser.
Also, their server is acting up lately. Sometimes the server is down or malfunctioning, and that happened too frequently in the last few days, preventing you even to access your live accounts. It's a Tradency issue, I'm sure, and should be taken care of.
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10-14-2009, 09:36 AM
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That's a job I usually do also. Not as well as Jeremy, I'm sure, for he has The Knowledge.
I too believe the platform is terrible on the browser. A few minutes after it starts working, the browser almost freezes. There must be memory leaks or whatever usually causes this kind of behavior. And this does not happen to me on any other site.
Better on IE? I wouldn't know. Firefox is The browser.
Also, their server is acting up lately. Sometimes the server is down or malfunctioning, and that happened too frequently in the last few days, preventing you even to access your live accounts. It's a Tradency issue, I'm sure, and should be taken care of.
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It loads faster on IE yes. Must to be a complex platform to handle all of those bridges between providers and customers on the site.
Seems to be a problem with my demo a/c since it keeps closing out my chosen signal providers.
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10-14-2009, 03:40 PM
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Alec, you have uncovered and important item that is useful! Although the Hidalgo is a newer system, one important positive note regarding their trades so far is that they do trade in the direction of the daily trend. That is why you have benefited from trading it in the EURUSD and the AUDUSD.
Below is a current chart of the SSI.
I have circled the AUDUSD and a -2.97 means 3 out of 4 traders who have a live position on the AUDUSD are short and 1 of 4 traders are long. SSI is an important tool when the majority of traders begin to counter trend trade like what we have for the AUDUSD. Although the majority of the traders are short, they are trying to pick a top on the AUDUSD and the retail traders are typically wrong. So far, Hildalgo has taken benefit of this and continued to trade in the direction of the daily trend which is long the AUDUSD.
The USDCHF, have been flashing SSI signals for a long time. The Hidalgo USDCHF in its limited number of trades has been positive thus far. The EURUSD has been showing SSI signals for the majority of the past month. So these 3 currencies may continue to show some decent trades...I'm only guessing right now because of the limited history.
In Hidalgo's limited trading history, they appear thus far to be a way for FSS traders to trade SSI as they follow the trend. If you want to learn more about SSI, join me in a live DailyFX+ webinar every Tuesday and Thursday at 1pm and 7pm New York time. SSI is a topic of these live webinars as I explain what it is and why it is useful.
Press HERE for a previously recorded webinar on how to use SSI in DailyFX+.
Press HERE to see our live webinar schedule.
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So, Jeremy, I guess DBSwing didn't attend your webinar last night. They're selling EURUSD, and it's costing me
Meanwhile, the 'less reliable' systems in my Moderates portfolio are - slowly but consistently - making pips.
Any thoughts?
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10-14-2009, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Alec
So, Jeremy, I guess DBSwing didn't attend your webinar last night. They're selling EURUSD, and it's costing me
Meanwhile, the 'less reliable' systems in my Moderates portfolio are - slowly but consistently - making pips.
Any thoughts?
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Yes, I am long EURUSD here but I saw them short in my demo.
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10-14-2009, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemur
For some reason, the signal providers disappeared from my demo. The demo is acting up. I will leave it alone for a while and go back and reselect the providers.
Also the platform does not seem to be fond of Firefox. Does it work better with IE?
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Hi Lemur...
Tradency has a temporary porblem they are working on the back end. There could be some intermittent issues logging into the platform.
Make sure when you log into the platform, you are using this address :
http://fxcm.tradency.com/b1/fxcm/
The Electrophysiology and Bio Breaker have been removed from the providers list. I am told this was a mutual agreement between the providers and Tradency.
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*Past performance posted by Signal and Systems Providers (“Providers”), is not necessarily indicative of future results. No representation is made that any account is likely to achieve profits or losses similar to those shown. In fact, there are frequently sharp differences between hypothetical performance results and the actual results subsequently achieved by any particularly trading program. The composite monthly results are primarily hypothetical results of the master demo and its representation of the Providers, though performance results displayed may represent a combination of live and hypothetical results and are not exclusive to either. There are numerous other factors related to markets in general or to the implementation of any specific trading program that cannot be fully accounted for in the preparation of hypothetical performance results and all of which can adversely affect actual trading results. In the event that specific trades were simultaneously executed in hypothetical and live, real-time trading, the lesser of the two results will be displayed. There is no guarantee that one applying these methodologies would have the same results as the hypothetically posted. Since trading successfully depends on many elements including but not limited to a trading methodology and a trader's own psychology, the web site does not make any representation whatsoever that the above mentioned trading systems might be or are suitable or that they would be profitable for you. Please realize the risk with any investment and consult investment professionals before proceeding. The trading systems herein described have been developed for sophisticated traders who fully understand the nature and the scope of the risks that are associated with trading. Should you decide to trade any or all of these systems' signals, it is your decision.
Links to third-party sites are provided for your convenience and for informational purposes only. Forex Capital Markets LLC bears no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or any other matter related to the external site or for that of subsequent links, and accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damage arising from the use of this or any other content. Such sites are not within our control and may not follow the same privacy, security, or accessibility standards as ours. Please read the linked websites' terms and conditions.
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10-14-2009, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Alec
So, Jeremy, I guess DBSwing didn't attend your webinar last night. They're selling EURUSD, and it's costing me
Meanwhile, the 'less reliable' systems in my Moderates portfolio are - slowly but consistently - making pips.
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Alec, in my webinars I talk about how as an FSS user you are like a CEO of a corporation. A CEO may not necessarily know how to do each employees job, but they know how to hire the right people for the job.
Same concept in the FSS as you can imagine by having somebody else trade it for you. Applying the same concept, as a CEO, there are times when your employees may not make the same decision you would...you can still like the employee even though there decisions are different. That is because they have proven themselves over the long run.
If you don't like DBSwing, then find another system that matches your trading style. To me, they have a history of making more better decisions than poor decisions, but I understand if your style is different. Its important to find what works for you.
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*Past performance posted by Signal and Systems Providers (“Providers”), is not necessarily indicative of future results. No representation is made that any account is likely to achieve profits or losses similar to those shown. In fact, there are frequently sharp differences between hypothetical performance results and the actual results subsequently achieved by any particularly trading program. The composite monthly results are primarily hypothetical results of the master demo and its representation of the Providers, though performance results displayed may represent a combination of live and hypothetical results and are not exclusive to either. There are numerous other factors related to markets in general or to the implementation of any specific trading program that cannot be fully accounted for in the preparation of hypothetical performance results and all of which can adversely affect actual trading results. In the event that specific trades were simultaneously executed in hypothetical and live, real-time trading, the lesser of the two results will be displayed. There is no guarantee that one applying these methodologies would have the same results as the hypothetically posted. Since trading successfully depends on many elements including but not limited to a trading methodology and a trader's own psychology, the web site does not make any representation whatsoever that the above mentioned trading systems might be or are suitable or that they would be profitable for you. Please realize the risk with any investment and consult investment professionals before proceeding. The trading systems herein described have been developed for sophisticated traders who fully understand the nature and the scope of the risks that are associated with trading. Should you decide to trade any or all of these systems' signals, it is your decision.
Links to third-party sites are provided for your convenience and for informational purposes only. Forex Capital Markets LLC bears no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or any other matter related to the external site or for that of subsequent links, and accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damage arising from the use of this or any other content. Such sites are not within our control and may not follow the same privacy, security, or accessibility standards as ours. Please read the linked websites' terms and conditions.
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10-14-2009, 08:48 PM
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Alec, in my webinars I talk about how as an FSS user you are like a CEO of a corporation. A CEO may not necessarily know how to do each employees job, but they know how to hire the right people for the job.
Same concept in the FSS as you can imagine by having somebody else trade it for you. Applying the same concept, as a CEO, there are times when your employees may not make the same decision you would...you can still like the employee even though there decisions are different. That is because they have proven themselves over the long run.
If you don't like DBSwing, then find another system that matches your trading style. To me, they have a history of making more better decisions than poor decisions, but I understand if your style is different. Its important to find what works for you.
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I complained but, according to my analysis, DBSwing is one of the most reliable systems I found. It got well through last summer's 'crash' and did well after-wards. My Prudent portfolio is based on that: systems with good performance data since June 2008 (hence my question at tonight's webinar).
So i shall wait and see - and hope the 'employee' will turn things around, as seen in the past.
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10-15-2009, 09:42 AM
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Hi Lemur...
http://fxcm.tradency.com/b1/fxcm/
The Electrophysiology and Bio Breaker have been removed from the providers list. I am told this was a mutual agreement between the providers and Tradency.
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They have? They are still on the main FXCM page. Does this include all kesef systems?
A pity since they seem to have stellar performance per my posts below.
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10-15-2009, 02:25 PM
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They have? They are still on the main FXCM page. Does this include all kesef systems?
A pity since they seem to have stellar performance per my posts below.
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Hi Lemur, in the FSS platform, you will notice they are no longer present. They should roll off the FXCM web page shortly.
As I understand it, these were the only two and the others were not affected.
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*Past performance posted by Signal and Systems Providers (“Providers”), is not necessarily indicative of future results. No representation is made that any account is likely to achieve profits or losses similar to those shown. In fact, there are frequently sharp differences between hypothetical performance results and the actual results subsequently achieved by any particularly trading program. The composite monthly results are primarily hypothetical results of the master demo and its representation of the Providers, though performance results displayed may represent a combination of live and hypothetical results and are not exclusive to either. There are numerous other factors related to markets in general or to the implementation of any specific trading program that cannot be fully accounted for in the preparation of hypothetical performance results and all of which can adversely affect actual trading results. In the event that specific trades were simultaneously executed in hypothetical and live, real-time trading, the lesser of the two results will be displayed. There is no guarantee that one applying these methodologies would have the same results as the hypothetically posted. Since trading successfully depends on many elements including but not limited to a trading methodology and a trader's own psychology, the web site does not make any representation whatsoever that the above mentioned trading systems might be or are suitable or that they would be profitable for you. Please realize the risk with any investment and consult investment professionals before proceeding. The trading systems herein described have been developed for sophisticated traders who fully understand the nature and the scope of the risks that are associated with trading. Should you decide to trade any or all of these systems' signals, it is your decision.
Links to third-party sites are provided for your convenience and for informational purposes only. Forex Capital Markets LLC bears no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or any other matter related to the external site or for that of subsequent links, and accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damage arising from the use of this or any other content. Such sites are not within our control and may not follow the same privacy, security, or accessibility standards as ours. Please read the linked websites' terms and conditions.
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10-15-2009, 02:31 PM
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I complained but, according to my analysis, DBSwing is one of the most reliable systems I found. It got well through last summer's 'crash' and did well after-wards. My Prudent portfolio is based on that: systems with good performance data since June 2008 (hence my question at tonight's webinar).
So i shall wait and see - and hope the 'employee' will turn things around, as seen in the past.
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Hi Alec...I can't tell for sure if you have a question or not. Just to be clear, nobody is guaranteeing that DBSwing or other providers will make you money. In addition to the signals provided, the trade size relative to the account size is a factor in a traders 'staying power'.
As a trader, we are looking to stack the cards in our favor and we must expect losses to occur. As you already know, the ultimate decision is yours on whether to keep the signal provider or use others.
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*Past performance posted by Signal and Systems Providers (“Providers”), is not necessarily indicative of future results. No representation is made that any account is likely to achieve profits or losses similar to those shown. In fact, there are frequently sharp differences between hypothetical performance results and the actual results subsequently achieved by any particularly trading program. The composite monthly results are primarily hypothetical results of the master demo and its representation of the Providers, though performance results displayed may represent a combination of live and hypothetical results and are not exclusive to either. There are numerous other factors related to markets in general or to the implementation of any specific trading program that cannot be fully accounted for in the preparation of hypothetical performance results and all of which can adversely affect actual trading results. In the event that specific trades were simultaneously executed in hypothetical and live, real-time trading, the lesser of the two results will be displayed. There is no guarantee that one applying these methodologies would have the same results as the hypothetically posted. Since trading successfully depends on many elements including but not limited to a trading methodology and a trader's own psychology, the web site does not make any representation whatsoever that the above mentioned trading systems might be or are suitable or that they would be profitable for you. Please realize the risk with any investment and consult investment professionals before proceeding. The trading systems herein described have been developed for sophisticated traders who fully understand the nature and the scope of the risks that are associated with trading. Should you decide to trade any or all of these systems' signals, it is your decision.
Links to third-party sites are provided for your convenience and for informational purposes only. Forex Capital Markets LLC bears no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or any other matter related to the external site or for that of subsequent links, and accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damage arising from the use of this or any other content. Such sites are not within our control and may not follow the same privacy, security, or accessibility standards as ours. Please read the linked websites' terms and conditions.
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10-15-2009, 05:26 PM
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Risk Adjusted Ratio Portfolio
I have gone through the 6 remaining signal providers which made the cut on the Risk Adjusted Ratio Portfolio and created 3 different samples.
I have marked up each combined portfolio equity curve with the significant drawdowns, portfolio RAR and some additional data since for the past year. You will find the signal providers and trade sizes which makes up the portfolio included in the information.
I used a starting balance of $10,000. You'll want to consider the drawdown amounts relative to your starting balance to see if you can bear the drawdown risk. For example, on Portfolio #1, the largest drawdown is $3,481...would you be comfortable if you lost nearly 35% of your original investment? If not, then consider 1) Reducing trade size, 2) Removing a signal provider, 3) Increase your capital amount.
We'll see which one of these sample portfolios are favored and implement the most popular for our Risk Adjusted Ratio Portfolio.
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*Past performance posted by Signal and Systems Providers (“Providers”), is not necessarily indicative of future results. No representation is made that any account is likely to achieve profits or losses similar to those shown. In fact, there are frequently sharp differences between hypothetical performance results and the actual results subsequently achieved by any particularly trading program. The composite monthly results are primarily hypothetical results of the master demo and its representation of the Providers, though performance results displayed may represent a combination of live and hypothetical results and are not exclusive to either. There are numerous other factors related to markets in general or to the implementation of any specific trading program that cannot be fully accounted for in the preparation of hypothetical performance results and all of which can adversely affect actual trading results. In the event that specific trades were simultaneously executed in hypothetical and live, real-time trading, the lesser of the two results will be displayed. There is no guarantee that one applying these methodologies would have the same results as the hypothetically posted. Since trading successfully depends on many elements including but not limited to a trading methodology and a trader's own psychology, the web site does not make any representation whatsoever that the above mentioned trading systems might be or are suitable or that they would be profitable for you. Please realize the risk with any investment and consult investment professionals before proceeding. The trading systems herein described have been developed for sophisticated traders who fully understand the nature and the scope of the risks that are associated with trading. Should you decide to trade any or all of these systems' signals, it is your decision.
Links to third-party sites are provided for your convenience and for informational purposes only. Forex Capital Markets LLC bears no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or any other matter related to the external site or for that of subsequent links, and accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damage arising from the use of this or any other content. Such sites are not within our control and may not follow the same privacy, security, or accessibility standards as ours. Please read the linked websites' terms and conditions.
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